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Demo of the Growth tier to Penmaen's customer success team. They want tickets, renewals and usage per operator in one place. Price of £52k all-in was restated, decision targeted for 11 Jul 2024, CFO Huw still to be won.

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As at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Demo of the Growth tier to Penmaen's customer success team. They want tickets, renewals and usage per operator in one place. Price of £52k all-in was restated, decision targeted for 11 Jul 2024, CFO Huw still to be won.

What happened: Hannah Lowe demoed chat, sources and the dashboards builder on Penmaen's own extracts. Cerys Llewellyn, Rhian Morgan and Ffion Rees all recognised their operator list.

Customer view: The pain is manual reconciling across helpdesk, CRM and usage. Rhian valued that the tool states when notes do not give a cause rather than guessing.

Commercial: Tom Ashdown restated £52k all-in, implementation included, to be confirmed in the proposal. Cerys wants help building a usage case for Huw, the CFO, and agreed to start with three connectors.

Watch: The call is a demo, so no contract exists. Data location and security controls were promised in writing, and the exact user number is still to be confirmed.

AI · claude-sonnet-5-5 · as at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Themes

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
Theme
Growth demo, usage case
Importance
upsell
Sentiment
positive
Voice
champion

Who was there

BG-Demo

Them

Follow-up

Next steps

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Tom Ashdown to send the proposal confirming the figure and user number.
  • Hannah Lowe to send the security note and build a view of five or six operators once Cerys sends the list.
  • Tom to arrange a session with Huw Bevan.

Risks

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Huw Bevan, the CFO, has not yet seen a usage case and will want one.
  • Security and data-control detail was promised in writing and is not yet delivered.
  • The exact Growth user number was left to the proposal.

Opportunities

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Growth tier with the dashboards builder, which Ffion Rees said would save her a day a week.
  • Starting with three connectors leaves room to add more as value shows.

Transcript

  1. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Afternoon, everyone. Can you hear me alright? I've got a bit of an echo on mine.
  2. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Afternoon, Tom. Yes, loud and clear. Ffion and Rhian are just joining now, I can see them in the lobby.
  3. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    Hi, sorry, I was finishing off a renewal call. Is Hannah here as well?
  4. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    I'm here. Hello, all. Thanks for making the time.
  5. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    Hi, sorry, my camera's being slow. Can you hear me?
  6. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Perfect, no drama. How's your week been? Cerys, last time you said it was all month-end chaos.
  7. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Ha, same chaos, different month. My team asked me on Monday which of our leisure operators were at the edge before the quarter closed, and honestly I couldn't tell them without three spreadsheets. So that's really why we're all here.
  8. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    That's a good place to start, then. Before I share anything, what do you most need to know by the end of this call?
  9. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Let's start with the team who'll use it. Rhian, Ffion. Rhian, you live in tickets and renewals, what do you want to see?
  10. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    One place, honestly. A renewal comes up and I have to open the helpdesk, then the CRM, then ask someone in support whether the operator's been grumbling. By the time I've done it I've lost half a morning.
  11. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    And from my side it's the reconciling. I build the usage reports per operator and every one is a manual join. I'd like to stop doing that. Well, I'd like to stop doing it by hand, at least.
  12. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    Understood. So, to be precise, three things: tickets per operator, renewals per operator and product usage per operator, in one place you can question. Is that fair?
  13. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    That's it exactly.
  14. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    Right. I'm going to share my screen. What you'll see is built on the extracts you sent over last week, so these are your operators, not made-up ones. Tell me if it doesn't look like your world.
  15. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    Mm, yes, that's our list. That's, er, that's a lot of leisure centres.
  16. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    It is. So this is the chat page. I'll ask something plain: which operators have had an unusual run of tickets and also have a renewal coming up? I'll let it run.
  17. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    There we are. It's given me a short list, and for each one it shows the tickets it used, the renewal date from your CRM data and a line on usage. If I click through, the sources are listed underneath, so you can check it isn't just telling a nice story.
  18. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    I've seen this work before, that bit about showing the source. It's what stops people arguing with it. Rhian, does that list look right to you?
  19. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    Two of those I'd have guessed. The third I wouldn't. Can you open that one?
  20. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    Of course. This is the operator's page. Tickets by category on the left, so you can see it's mostly how-to questions and a couple about booking sync. Usage in the middle, and the renewal on the right. The short answer is it's quiet, the longer answer is that quiet on a big operator can be the silence before something.
  21. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Which is exactly which customers are at the edge. Sorry, go on.
  22. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    No, that's the point. Let me show you the dashboards builder, because Growth includes it and Ffion, I suspect this is yours.
  23. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    Oh, that's nice. So I could build the per operator usage view once and it just refreshes?
  24. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    It refreshes overnight, yes. You build it once, from the same data the chat uses, so the numbers on the dashboard and the numbers in an answer can't drift apart.
  25. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    That would save me a day a week. And where does the data actually live? Our CTO will ask.
  26. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    Good question. It's built and run inside your own Snowflake account. We don't copy it out to a platform of ours. Anything more detailed than that on controls I'll put in writing rather than answer from memory, so it's right first time.
  27. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    And that's usually the bit IT want in a document anyway, so leave that with me and Hannah, we'll get it over.
  28. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Lovely. Now, can I ask it something awkward? Can you ask it why a particular operator's renewals slipped last time?
  29. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    I can ask. Whether it can answer depends on what's in the data. Let me try one.
  30. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    So it's pulled the renewal record and two ticket threads and it says there was a long gap in contact before the date moved. What it won't do is guess the reason, and I'd rather it said so. See, it says the notes don't state a cause.
  31. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    That's honest. Our current tool would just make something up, to be fair.
  32. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Right, so let's talk about getting going. Ffion, you'd be the admin. What would worry you?
  33. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    Honestly, connecting the sources. How long does that take, and how much of it lands on me?
  34. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    The short answer is a few weeks, the longer answer is that it depends how tidy the sources are. Growth comes with a set number of connectors and I'd start with the helpdesk, the CRM and your usage data, then add as you see value. I'll do the design with you, you wouldn't be on your own.
  35. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    And I'd say start small. No point connecting everything on day one.
  36. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Agreed. Let's keep it to the three.
  37. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    Can I ask about users? There's the three of us, but a couple of account managers would want to look as well.
  38. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Growth gives you room for that, a good few more than the three of you. I'll confirm the exact number in the proposal so I'm not quoting from memory.
  39. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Fine. And on the money, we've had the indicative figure, is that still the thing we're looking at, Tom?
  40. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    It is. Fifty-one thousand six hundred, all-in, implementation included. I'll confirm that on paper in the proposal, and then we can go through it properly with Huw.
  41. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Yes, Huw will want a usage case, he always does. I'll be honest, that's where I'd like some help from you, to show him what we'd lose without it.
  42. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    We can do that. If you give me a list of five or six operators you care most about, I can build the view for those, so Huw sees it on his own customers.
  43. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Brilliant. I'll get you that list this week.
  44. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    So the plan is I send the proposal, Hannah sends the security note, and we get something in the diary with Huw. We're aiming at 11 Jul 2024 for a decision, but there's no rush if you need longer.
  45. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    That works. Anything else from you two?
  46. Ffion Rees
    Ffion Rees
    No, that's all I had. Thank you, that was clearer than I expected.
  47. Rhian Morgan
    Rhian Morgan
    Same. Thanks, both.
  48. Hannah Lowe
    Hannah Lowe
    Thanks, all. I'll put the notes in writing today.
  49. Cerys Llewellyn
    Cerys Llewellyn
    Diolch, everyone. Speak soon.
  50. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Cheers, all. Bye now.

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