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Ardenmore Pension Administration logo Ardenmore Pension Administration · 11 Jul 2023 09:15

Proposal call for a Starter deal at £26k all-in. Finance Director Elaine Turvey wants measured usage evidence and a written proposal before any decision. Decision pencilled for 16 Aug 2023.

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What this says

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Proposal call for a Starter deal at £26k all-in. Finance Director Elaine Turvey wants measured usage evidence and a written proposal before any decision. Decision pencilled for 16 Aug 2023.

What happened: Tom walked Harjit Bains and Elaine Turvey through a Starter proposal for the client relationship team. He quoted £26k as the all-in figure with implementation included, not the yearly cost.

Customer view: Elaine asked who would actually use it and whether the board could justify it. Harjit's time-saving case is, in his own words, an estimate rather than a measured figure.

Commercial: Elaine said she would not decide on the call. A decision is pencilled for 16 Aug 2023, and she wants the usage measures, term and data handling in writing.

Watch: Member data staying in the customer's own Snowflake account is a condition Harjit and Elaine both pressed. Elaine also asked about exit if the team does not use it.

AI · claude-sonnet-5-5 · as at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Themes

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
Theme
Starter proposal, adoption proof
Importance
neutral
Sentiment
mixed
Voice
decision-maker

Who was there

BG-Demo

Them

Follow-up

Next steps

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Tom Ashdown sends a written proposal with total, split, term and a data page this week.
  • Harjit Bains lists the day-to-day sources and sends them to Tom, copying Elaine.
  • Tom books a walkthrough for the end of the month, ahead of the 16 Aug 2023 decision.

Risks

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Finance Director doubts the board case and wants measured rather than estimated savings.
  • Concern that the tool could go unused while the customer is tied to an annual term.
  • Data residency and member data handling must be shown clearly in writing.

Opportunities

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Starter fits the client relationship team, with scope to extend later if usage is shown.
  • Agreeing usage measures up front can turn the sceptical Finance Director into a supporter.

Transcript

  1. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Hello, hello. Can you hear me alright?
  2. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Yes, I can hear you fine. Good morning, Tom.
  3. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Morning both. Sorry, I'm just getting the camera to behave. There. Can you see me?
  4. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Seen and heard. No drama. How's your week been so far, Harjit? It's only Tuesday but it always feels longer than that.
  5. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Busy, honestly. We have a trustee meeting coming up at the end of the week for one of the larger schemes, so I've been pulling the client pack together. Which is partly why I'm keen on all this, to be fair. What will the trustees ask? I'd like to know the answer before I walk in, not after.
  6. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    That's exactly the sort of thing it's for. Right, Elaine, I know you've had a look at the demo notes Harjit forwarded. Is there anything you wanted to cover first before I go through the proposal?
  7. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Just the one thing, really. Adoption. If we do this, who is actually going to be using it? I've seen a lot of tools bought here that sit there.
  8. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Can I take that one? It would be my team to begin with. The client relationship team, so the people who prepare for the trustee meetings and answer the scheme queries. They spend a good part of every week going between the CRM, the shared mailbox and the call notes, and it's all done by hand.
  9. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Mm. And that's the whole of it? Just that team?
  10. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    For now, yes. I'd rather get it working properly for one team than spread it thin. No surprises for the client, that's the principle.
  11. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    And that fits the Starter tier really well, to be honest. It's built for one team. You get the pages, the chat and the search over your own data, and you connect the sources that matter most to that team. It runs inside your own Snowflake account, so the data doesn't go anywhere you haven't agreed.
  12. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    I'd want to be clear on that point. Member data stays where it is?
  13. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    It stays in your account, yes. We build and run the brain there. I'll put that in writing in the proposal so you've got it in black and white, and your people can check it against your own rules.
  14. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Which is the thing I'd want sent over anyway. I never share member data outside the rules, so if there's any doubt I'd rather we looked at it together, let's check the scheme record side of it with whoever looks after our data.
  15. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Sensible. Leave that with me, I'll make sure there's a plain page on it. Right, shall I take you through what we've put together?
  16. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Please.
  17. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    So the shape of it is this. There's a one-off implementation first. That's us getting your sources connected, checking the data is coming through properly, and training your team. For Starter that's about a month, give or take, depending how quickly we get access. Then there's the annual subscription on top, paid in advance.
  18. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    And the total? I'd like the number, please.
  19. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    So the all-in figure, implementation included, is twenty-five and a half thousand. That's £25,500 for the deal as a whole. Now, I don't want to quote you line by line from memory, so I'll confirm the split between the implementation and the first year in the written proposal. I'd rather you had it exactly right.
  20. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    That's helpful. So that figure is not the yearly cost.
  21. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Correct, it's the total for the first stretch, with the one-off piece in it. The yearly part would be lower than that, and I'll set it out clearly.
  22. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Good. Can we justify that to the board? That's what I keep asking myself. Our fee income per scheme is not generous, and overheads are the first thing anyone looks at.
  23. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    If I may, Elaine, I think it's justified on time alone. We lose hours every week reconciling things before meetings. But I accept that's my estimate, not a measured figure.
  24. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    That's rather my point. I'd want something measured. Not now, but at some stage.
  25. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Fair, and that's reasonable. What we can do is agree up front what you'd want to see after the first few months. Questions asked, who's asking them, how many of your team are in there week to week. Then you're not relying on anyone's impression.
  26. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    That would be better. Let's not rush it, though. I'm not going to decide anything today.
  27. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    No, understood, I wouldn't expect you to. We're pencilling the middle of August for a decision, Wednesday 16 August 2023, which gives you a good few weeks. If it needs longer we'll talk about it.
  28. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    That works for me. It gets us past the trustee cycle as well.
  29. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Can I ask what happens if it doesn't take? Say the team doesn't use it. Are we tied in for a long time?
  30. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    It's an annual subscription, so there's a term, yes. But that's another reason I'd like us to agree those usage measures early, so that if it's not landing we both know quickly. And your CSM, Marcus, would be checking in with you regularly on exactly that. I wouldn't want you paying for something that isn't working.
  31. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Mm. Right. I'd like to see that in writing too.
  32. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Of course. So, summing up what I owe you. A written proposal with the total, the split, the term, and the data page. I'll get that to both of you this week. Is that alright?
  33. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Yes. And from my side I'll write down the sources my team uses day to day, so we can see what would need connecting. I'll send that to you and copy Elaine.
  34. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Thank you. I'll read it all properly and come back with questions. I'll want a view from the team on usage before anything goes further.
  35. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Brilliant. Let's get something in the diary for the end of the month so we can go through it together. I'll send a few slots.
  36. Harjit Bains
    Harjit Bains
    Lovely. Thank you, Tom. Kind regards to you both.
  37. Elaine Turvey
    Elaine Turvey
    Thank you. Goodbye.
  38. Tom Ashdown
    Tom Ashdown
    Cheers both, speak soon. Good luck with the trustees, Harjit.

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