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At the QBR Steven Holroyd questioned paying for 40 licences and using a fraction, and could not get a figure for savings. He wants a short usage page with the renewal and will not renew on autopilot.

What was said

What this says

Current to 13 Oct 26

At the QBR Steven Holroyd questioned paying for 40 licences and using a fraction, and could not get a figure for savings. He wants a short usage page with the renewal and will not renew on autopilot.

What happened: Natalie Eze ran the 27 Aug 2025 QBR with Kelly Swainston, Steven Holroyd and Josh Pearce. Active users and questions asked are both rising, from several people rather than one or two.

Customer view: Steven challenged the gap between 40 licences and active users. Kelly named prep time and spotting returns problems early as the value, but could not put a number on it.

Commercial: Natalie confirmed £44k a year, matching the order form and invoices, with the term running to 3 Apr 2026 and renewal on 4 Apr 2026. Josh reported no tickets and nightly refresh landing on time.

Watch: The decision-maker is a finance director asking for evidence of value. A short usage page with Kelly's examples is the answer.

AI · claude-sonnet-5-5 · 13 Oct 2026

Themes

Current to 9 Oct 26
Theme
Value proof before renewal
Importance
renewal
Sentiment
mixed
Voice
decision-maker

Who was there

BB-Demo

Them

Follow-up

Next steps

Current to 9 Oct 26
  • Natalie Eze to draft a one-page usage summary and send it to Kelly before it goes to Steven.
  • Kelly Swainston to add examples from service reviews.
  • Natalie Eze to get the renewal paperwork to Steven well ahead of the notice period.

Risks

Current to 9 Oct 26
  • Steven Holroyd sees 40 licences against low active use and the savings cannot be quantified.
  • Steven will not renew on autopilot and wants evidence alongside the renewal paperwork.

Opportunities

Current to 9 Oct 26
  • Usage and questions are rising across several people, so the brain does not depend on one champion.
  • Kelly Swainston will add concrete review examples to a one-page usage summary.

Transcript

  1. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining. I can see Kelly and Steven. Josh, are you there yet?
  2. Josh Pearce
    Josh Pearce None
    Here, sorry. My camera's being awkward, but I can hear you fine.
  3. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Afternoon, Natalie. Right, we've got an hour, so I'm hoping we can be brisk. I've got a review at five.
  4. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Understood. I'll keep it tight. This is the quarterly review, so I'll go through how the brain's being used, what's changed since the last one, and then leave plenty of time for questions.
  5. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Before you start. Who's using it?
  6. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Fair question, and a good place to begin. Active users are up by around a quarter on the quarter before. The growth is mostly in the client management team, and it's spread across more people than it was.
  7. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Out of how many licences?
  8. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    You're licensed for forty. The people active in a typical month are well under that, so there's a lot of room still.
  9. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    So we're paying for forty and using a fraction.
  10. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    That's a fair way of putting it, yes. It's a bigger gap than I'd like to see, and I'd say that to anyone. But the direction is the right one, and it's been rising steadily rather than in a spike.
  11. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Can I come in on that, Steven? When we started, it was two of us. It's now most of the client managers, and I'd expect the rest to follow. It's not that they don't want it. It's that they're mid-peak and have no time to learn something new.
  12. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Right. What does it save us?
  13. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Honestly? Prep time for service reviews, and the returns problems we spot before a brand raises them. That second one is the real value. If a brand rings up angry, we're already on it, with the facts.
  14. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Can you put a number on it?
  15. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Not hand on heart, no. I'd be making it up. I can tell you what the reviews look like now compared with last year, which is that they start from the facts and nobody argues about whose spreadsheet is right.
  16. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Hm. Fair enough. Go on, Natalie.
  17. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Thanks. So, a quick look at the questions people are asking. They're rising too, and what I like is that they're coming from several people, not one or two. That matters, because it means it doesn't depend on a single champion.
  18. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Which I'm very happy about, because I'm not going to be the one asking everything.
  19. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Quite. And on the support side, there's nothing to report. No tickets raised over the last month, and nothing outstanding. Josh, is that how it feels from your end?
  20. Josh Pearce
    Josh Pearce None
    Yes. It's been quiet. Nightly refresh has been landing when it should, and I've not had anyone come to me saying the data's old. I check it most mornings anyway, out of habit.
  21. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    That's useful, thank you. Is there anything on the admin side that's been awkward? Adding people, permissions, that kind of thing?
  22. Josh Pearce
    Josh Pearce None
    Not awkward. I do have a couple of new client managers starting soon, and I wanted to check I can add them myself and I'm not going to hit a limit.
  23. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    You can add them yourself, and you're well inside the forty. Nothing to ask us for.
  24. Josh Pearce
    Josh Pearce None
    Great. That's all I had, really.
  25. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Now. The invoice. What am I being charged?
  26. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Forty-four thousand a year, which is £44,000, and that matches the order form and what's been invoiced. Nothing overdue on your side, and no surprises on ours.
  27. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Good. I don't like surprises.
  28. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    No, understood. And the term runs to 3 Apr 2026, with renewal on 4 Apr 2026. I'll make sure you have the paperwork well ahead of the notice period, so it isn't a rush.
  29. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    Send me the renewal in good time. And I'll want to see usage with it. I'm not renewing on autopilot.
  30. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    I wouldn't expect you to. What would make that easiest for you? A single page with active people, questions asked and how that's trended?
  31. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    That'd do. Short. Plain English. Who's using it and what it saves us.
  32. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    And I'll give you a couple of examples from the reviews, Natalie, so it's not only numbers. Let's take the facts to the review.
  33. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    That would be ideal, Kelly. I'll draft the page and send it to you first, then you can add your examples before it goes to Steven.
  34. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Deal.
  35. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Anything else anyone wants to raise before I wrap up? Josh? Steven?
  36. Steven Holroyd
    Steven Holroyd None
    No. That'll do me.
  37. Josh Pearce
    Josh Pearce None
    Nothing from me. Thanks, Natalie.
  38. Natalie Eze
    Natalie Eze None
    Brilliant. So, to recap: I'll draft the one-page summary and send it to Kelly, Kelly adds the examples, and I'll make sure the renewal paperwork reaches Steven in good time. Josh adds the new starters himself. Thank you all, I really appreciate it.
  39. Kelly Swainston
    Kelly Swainston None
    Thanks, Natalie. Speak soon.

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