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Carnmoor Fleet Leasing logo Carnmoor Fleet Leasing · 18 Aug 2026 10:45

Carnmoor accepted that about seven of forty Growth users are active. BG-Demo proposed Starter at £22k against £42k now. Finance Director Ian Prendergast will decide on written paper at renewal, not on the call.

What was said

What this says

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Carnmoor accepted that about seven of forty Growth users are active. BG-Demo proposed Starter at £22k against £42k now. Finance Director Ian Prendergast will decide on written paper at renewal, not on the call.

What happened: Sofia Marchetti opened by naming the gap between forty licensed users and about seven active. Sophie Ling proposed Starter, and the renewal figure in BG-Demo's system was given as £22k.

Customer view: Gemma Thorne said she would probably not want Growth at forty and could fill fifteen seats with the right people. Ian said he is not agreeing a price on a call and wants it written down with the base and exclusions.

Commercial: The current contract ends on 1 Dec 2026 and BG-Demo aims to settle paper around 22 Sep 2026. Simon Achterberg, in post only a few months, will write an options paper comparing leaving it as it is, Starter, and not renewing.

Watch: Remarketing is lost in practice on Starter, and the four-connector limit is hard. Not renewing is an option in the CIO's paper.

AI · claude-sonnet-5-5 · as at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Themes

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
Theme
Right-sizing Growth to Starter
Importance
renewal
Sentiment
mixed
Voice
decision-maker

Who was there

BG-Demo

Them

Follow-up

Next steps

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Amara Obi sends usage summary with per-connector view and a deployment, access and exit note by the end of the following week.
  • Sophie Ling sends the written Starter proposal to Ian and Gemma, copying Simon, ahead of 22 Sep 2026.
  • Gemma Thorne sends Amara the list of fifteen names after checking with Ian.

Risks

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • The CIO's options paper includes not renewing, and he is new in post and will need longer than BG-Demo would like.
  • Moving from Growth to Starter cuts the contract to about half of the £41,800 now paid.
  • Remarketing falls away in practice and a fifth connector would need an add-on or a higher tier.

Opportunities

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • A written Starter proposal that is candid may build trust with the Finance Director.
  • Users or connectors can be added back later if remarketing makes a business case.
  • A measured value case, using questions asked per review, could support the renewal.

Transcript

  1. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Morning, everyone. Can you all hear me alright?
  2. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Loud and clear. Morning. Simon's just joining, I think, I can see him in the lobby.
  3. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Ian, I can see you but you're on mute.
  4. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Apologies. Morning. Is that better?
  5. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Perfect, thanks.
  6. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Good morning, all. Sorry, I was finishing something else. Before we begin, is there an architecture diagram you can put up? I'd like to see where this sits in our target architecture.
  7. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Good morning, Simon, and yes, we have one. Amara, can you share the one-pager? And Simon, if I can, let me say something first, because I know why this call was set up.
  8. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Please.
  9. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Let's be clear about what happened. You bought Growth, for forty users, on the basis that several teams would use the brain. About seven people are using it day to day, and that is down by just under a third on the previous quarter. That is not what you paid for, and I would rather we said so openly than waited for the renewal paperwork to say it for us.
  10. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Thank you. That is rather more candid than most supplier calls.
  11. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    I own that. Here is what we will do: we will walk through what is actually being used, and then we will put a proposal on the table that fits it. Nothing is decided today.
  12. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Diagram's up. So, it's quite simple. BG-Demo runs inside your own Snowflake account. The connectors pull from your CRM, the service desk, the phone system and the mailbox into that account, and the brain sits on top. Nothing leaves your Snowflake.
  13. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    So it is not a separate platform with its own copy of the data.
  14. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Correct. It's your account, your data, your access rules. We run the layer, you hold the data.
  15. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Good. I have been asked to simplify the estate. One platform, not five. So my question is whether this is a sixth thing to support or a view over the thing we already have.
  16. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    It's a view over what you already have, and I would not pretend otherwise. If your direction is a single data platform, this is closer to a tenant on it than a competitor to it.
  17. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Mm. And who supports it at 2am?
  18. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Fair. Support is through our helpdesk under the terms in your order form. You have had no tickets in the last month, and nothing urgent. I would not claim a named engineer at 2am, that is a separate add-on and it is not part of what you have today.
  19. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Understood. I would rather you said that than the other thing.
  20. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Can I ask the question I always ask? What has changed since the order form? Because I signed Growth, and I read it line by line, and I recall the rationale being several teams and a good deal of use.
  21. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    I can take part of that, Ian. The rationale was client services, the service desk and remarketing seeing the same picture of a client's fleet. Client services and the service desk have taken to it. Remarketing, honestly, hasn't.
  22. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    So two of three.
  23. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Two of three, yes. And within those two, it's really a handful of people. Which is why I asked Amara to look at what we'd need if we were realistic about it.
  24. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Here's what the numbers say. About seven active users on average over the last month. Out of forty licensed. The questions being asked are concentrated in client services, with the service desk next. The connectors people actually rely on are the CRM, the service desk, the phone system and the mailbox. The others we set up are barely touched.
  25. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Barely touched meaning what? Unused or just quiet?
  26. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Loading, but nobody querying them. I can send you the per-connector view afterwards so you can see it yourself.
  27. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Please do. I will want it before I take a view on anything.
  28. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Can I come in here? Because this is where I'd rather be straightforward too. Our proposal is that Carnmoor keeps the client-level brain for client services and the driver service desk, but on Starter rather than Growth.
  29. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Describe Starter for me. What do I lose?
  30. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Starter is one team scale. Fifteen named users and four connectors. So that's the CRM, the service desk, the phone system and the mailbox, which are the four Amara just listed. You keep pages, chat and search. You lose the dashboards builder and the quarterly reviews move to a six-monthly check-in.
  31. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    And we'd lose remarketing, in practice.
  32. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    In practice, yes, unless you add users or connectors back later. That door stays open.
  33. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Right. Show me the figure. We are currently at £41,800 a year, contracted and invoiced. What does the Starter renewal come to?
  34. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    The renewal as it sits in our system is £22,000. That's the Starter list. I'd want to be careful here: I'm giving you the number as it stands, and the formal paper comes after this call.
  35. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    So about half of what we pay now.
  36. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    About half, yes.
  37. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    I'll be plain. I'm not agreeing a price on a call, and I am not renewing anything on autopilot. Even a reduction I want to see written down, with the base, and with what is excluded.
  38. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    That's exactly right, and we wouldn't ask you to. We will send it in writing, with what's included, what falls away and what the terms are.
  39. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Good. And the current term runs to 1 Dec 2026, so there is time, but not unlimited time.
  40. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Correct. The contract ends on 1 Dec 2026, and we have the renewal date on our side as 2 Dec 2026. Our aim is to have the paper settled well before that, around 22 Sep 2026.
  41. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    I will need a little longer than I'd like on my side. I don't take platform decisions without a written options paper, and I have only been in post a few months.
  42. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Of course. What would you want from us for that paper?
  43. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Three things. How it is deployed in our Snowflake account, who has access to what, and what the exit looks like if we stop. I also don't take a roadmap as a commitment, so tell me what exists today.
  44. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Noted. I'll pull together deployment, access and exit, and keep it to what exists today. Anything that's roadmap I'll label as such, and you can ignore it.
  45. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Thank you. That is the right way round.
  46. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Can I show you what we actually use it for? Because I think the numbers undersell it a bit. Not the headcount, the headcount is what it is. But what it does for a review.
  47. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Please. That's the most useful thing we could see.
  48. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Sharing now. Can you see it?
  49. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    I can.
  50. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    So this is how Priti Varma prepares a client review. She's one of our corporate account managers. Before, she'd spend most of a day pulling the CRM notes, the service desk contacts, the call history and the invoices into one document. Now she starts here.
  51. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    She picks the client, and then the fleet. That's the which client, which fleet question. Then she asks it plain questions. What has this client contacted the service desk about this quarter? What did they ask us on the phone?
  52. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    And the answer comes from the underlying sources, not from a summary somebody typed.
  53. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Exactly. And it links back to the source, so if Priti says something to a client, she can show where it came from. That matters because the service desk and the account manager tell the same story now. What did the client actually see, that's the thing I care about.
  54. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    What does that save, in time? Per review?
  55. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    I'd rather not give you a number I can't defend, Ian. Priti says it's the difference between most of a day and a morning. I've watched her do it, and I believe her. I haven't measured it formally.
  56. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    That is a better answer than a made-up one. Could it be measured?
  57. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Questions asked per review is something I can show. Time saved you'd have to log on your side for a few reviews. I can help you set that up if you want it as part of the case.
  58. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    I might. Let me see the paper first.
  59. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Can I show the service desk side? It's quick.
  60. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Go on.
  61. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    So the desk takes a call from a driver. Previously, they'd see the driver, the vehicle, perhaps the contract. Now they can see what the account manager has agreed with the client's fleet manager, so they're not contradicting it. It's the thing that stops a driver being told one thing by us and another by the account manager.
  62. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    That is a legitimate use. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. My concern is cost and supportability, not whether it works.
  63. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    I know. And I'd rather we were honest. If I'm paying for forty seats and using seven, that's not defensible. Fifteen named users, I can fill with proper people. I'd put the account managers who run reviews and the service desk leads on it.
  64. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Who else should have access? That's my question for you, Gemma. Because fifteen is a soft limit, but I'd rather it was the right fifteen than a rough guess.
  65. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Let me do a list. The account managers who actually run reviews, the service desk leads, a couple of people in client onboarding maybe. I'll send you names, and I'll check with Ian before anything is final.
  66. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Good. That's how it should go.
  67. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Gemma, a direct question, and I mean it kindly. If the price were the same, would you want Growth?
  68. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Honestly? Probably not at forty. I'd want the dashboards, because it'd be nice, but I haven't built one in months. I'd rather be right-sized and have a credible story for Ian than carry seats I don't use.
  69. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    I want to say that's a sensible position, and it's the kind of conversation we should be having more often. Better a smaller contract that is used than a large one that isn't.
  70. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    I'd go further. From a supplier I'd trust, a smaller contract is a good sign. It tells me you are not selling me seats.
  71. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Appreciated. And to be clear on one thing, because I don't want it to land later as a surprise. Moving to Starter means the quarterly reviews become a six-monthly check-in. Amara will still be your point of contact, but the rhythm changes.
  72. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Which, for the record, I'd be happy to keep a bit more regular informally for the first few months. Let's get the next check-in in the diary now, so it doesn't drift.
  73. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Is that something I can rely on in writing, or a kindness?
  74. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    A kindness, Ian, and I would not want you to count on it as a contract term. The contract term is the check-in. I won't promise something the paper does not provide.
  75. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Thank you. That's the answer I wanted.
  76. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    One more architectural point. If we go down to four connectors, is there a risk that something we need ends up outside it? A fifth source, say.
  77. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Four is a hard limit on Starter. If you needed a fifth, the options are more connectors as an add-on, or a higher tier. I would not squeeze one in. Better you know now that the line is there.
  78. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    For client services, the four are enough. I've checked with the service desk. If remarketing wants in later, that's a separate conversation with Ian.
  79. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    A separate conversation with a business case attached.
  80. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Obviously. I wouldn't do it any other way.
  81. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Then my view for now is this. I am not opposed. I would like the options paper to compare three things: leaving the brain as it is, moving to Starter, and not renewing. I will write it, and I will want your inputs to be factual.
  82. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    That's fair and we will make sure it is. And Simon, I'd rather you wrote it with all three honestly set out than with ours looking better than it deserves.
  83. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    That is the intention.
  84. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Can I ask what happens to the data, if we step down? The fleets we've loaded, the history.
  85. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    It stays in your Snowflake account. What changes is what the brain is indexing and for how many connectors. The four you keep carry on as they are. The ones we switch off stop refreshing, but nothing is deleted from your account unless you ask us to.
  86. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Good. Put that in writing as well.
  87. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Will do.
  88. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Let me pull the next steps together, because I think we're close to it. Tell me if I've got any wrong.
  89. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Amara sends Ian and Simon the usage summary, with the per-connector view, and a short note on deployment, access and exit, with roadmap items clearly labelled.
  90. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    By the end of next week, if that works.
  91. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    That works.
  92. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Sophie sends the written proposal for Starter, with what is included, what falls away and the terms. Ian, you'll have it line by line.
  93. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Yes. I'll send it to you and Gemma, and copy Simon, so the options paper has it to hand.
  94. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Fine. I'll take a view at renewal, not before.
  95. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    And I send Amara the list of fifteen names, with the service desk leads and the account managers, and I'll run it past Ian first.
  96. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    And Simon writes the options paper, with our inputs as factual as we can make them. Did I miss anything?
  97. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Only that I'd like the whole picture before I sit down with the board, not in pieces.
  98. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    Understood. Then we'll make sure it all lands together, in good time before 22 Sep 2026.
  99. Simon Achterberg
    Simon Achterberg
    Thank you, all. This was more useful than I expected. I will send the diagram back marked up if I have comments.
  100. Gemma Thorne
    Gemma Thorne
    Thanks, everyone. Honestly, thank you for not just trying to hold the number.
  101. Sofia Marchetti
    Sofia Marchetti
    That would not have been fair to you. Speak soon, all.
  102. Amara Obi
    Amara Obi
    Thanks, all. Talk soon. I'll get that next check-in in the diary this afternoon.
  103. Ian Prendergast
    Ian Prendergast
    Good morning.
  104. Sophie Ling
    Sophie Ling
    Cheers, everyone. Bye.

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